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Utilizing Micro Messages In Pursuit Of The Truth

brandcasters • Nov 19, 2019

Whether intentional or not, we use micro messaging in our day-to-day conversations. These are subtle messages that we don’t realize have big impacts. Imagine if we can integrate this skill in pursuing the truth on purpose. Bill Stierle and Tom talk about the potential that this tool has in the politics industry. Sharing some real-life scenarios of how events would unfold if micro messaging is used effectively, they discuss the fundamentals and applications of micro messages in making sure that facts remain as they are. They also emphasize why this tool is a must for the journalism industry of America.


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We’re going to talk about purchasing truth through micro-messaging. I know that the title may sound a little boring. Where’s that going? This is relevant every day in our current state of news and politics. Bill, helped take us down this road.



It’s a great delight to be here with you again and to be able to share the importance of micro-messaging, whether it’s true or false, it still has an impact. If you say a micro message over and over again, even though it’s not true, it still can be damaging. Many attorneys who are doing their job to advocate or fight for their clients use micro messages to pollute the jury’s consciousness for them to create the thing called reasonable doubt. That’s what I got to do. I got to get one person in this room. Some of us have seen the play or the movie 12 Angry Men where one person, everybody was going guilty at the beginning. By the end, all of them are going innocent. They’re going like, “I do have reasonable doubt. My own bias was in here. My prejudice was in the room. I have to take ownership of that. I can’t speak anymore because the gig is up.” No, they’re guilty because they’re black, Asian or Mexican. Pick a race and watch what happens.


The challenge in micro-messaging is it sticks. It creates an atmosphere inside the bodies or the listener’s physiology to hijack their dopamine so that I could create some certainty, even though I don’t fully believe it’s true. I don’t believe it’s false. All of a sudden, all I got to do is say, “Joe Biden, Hunter Biden, Ukraine,” and then the message is, “I don’t know what happened over there.” Instead of, “They were investigated and there was no evidence. The story has been made up,” or as the believer would like to believe, “I voted for this leader. I trusted him with my vote. He hired this attorney. As the president, he gets to do whatever he wants.” That’s where the brain clicks over. You get to say whatever you want and do whatever he wants. Now, I got to listen to his tweets and go on the roller coaster of it. All the tweet is a micro message.


It’s a micro essence as long as you’re listening. I don’t know how many million followers he has but maybe half the country hears the message because whether you’re following him on Twitter or not, you probably watch the news that every day is filled with what his latest tweet was. You don’t have to be a Twitter follower to hear it.


Notice the pursuit of truth is getting little traction. Especially, the pursuit of truth in reference to a written document called the law. “Here’s what the law says. Here’s what the person said or did. Therefore, under this law, this person has guilt associated with it.” If I go on and you and I were to have a pretend narrative about robbing a bank. Notice what I just did was I put robbing a bank and I put pretend narrative on both sides. If somebody takes this audio, they could clip it out. At least, I got to make them work to clip it out and create a false story about me as a communicator because it’s a pretend narrative. If I’m pretending to do something that is against the law, that’s called conspiring. I’m talking to you about doing something and it’s over this social media platform that gets to be promoted in any way that the person wants to choose to promote it.


It’s not until evidence comes and until the body of evidence looks at. Until my attorney would say, “This is a communication specialist that was using an example. It’s not somebody that was conspiring with his co-host, Tom, to illusionary robbing an illusionary bank.” Watch how many times I put the word illusion in there to make sure the listener is not hearing and that there’s some clear understanding that there’s no communication that’s going in that direction. We’ve got to watch how it’s going to apply to four specific areas. What is the press corps reporting on? What are the cable news outlets reporting on? What is trickling to the local news markets? Also, the fatigue of people withdrawing. That’s what we got to watch out for because micro-messaging could cause fatigue.


I bet it can cause fatigue. I see all kinds of tension and fatigue. It’s one quality that I’ve seen in about every press conference that occurs in the White House or with the President. Whether it’s chopper talk or a more formal one. It seems like the truth is seriously under assault and that word, I don’t use lightly but it seems like we’re through the looking glass here.


Assault is a word of something that is done in a repetitive way. An assault weapon is a flurry of bullets.


It’s like, “The call was perfect.” That might be one or the viewer mentioning Joe Biden that he keeps repeating the same thing over and over about investigating the investigators or going after Joe Biden, even though it’s been debunked and the world knows this.

Ten people could get on saying the word debunked. If I’m looking through those filters of trusting Mike Pompeo, Rudy Giuliani, Donald Trump, Stephen Miller or the various spokespeople that he has on, they’re reinforcing the narrative that my guy is being victimized. We have the word assault and victimized. Which one is I’m going to pick on? The victim? No, because I’m a victim. I’m the listener now. I voted for Donald Trump because I was a victim of the system. Nobody is facing the real giant which is the corporate giant, insurance giant and pharmacy giant. Donald Trump said that he would face those and he looks stronger than Hillary Clinton facing those.


She didn’t come up over the strong message because she knew that she had to go back to those people and ask favors in order to get things done or increase the range of Obamacare. They’re going like, “That’s not going to help me because I’m still paying $100, $200 or $500 a month. It’s still not helping me and I’m still not getting value. It still doesn’t seem like it’s making a difference. It doesn’t look like the system has changed. We’re just throwing more money at it. It’s coming through this program that I may not even have access to because there are many Republican governors that did not allow their constituents to get access to that money.” Is that sad? I feel sad when I hear that.


Here’s a person in the state of Texas and they can’t have access to Obamacare because the governor who is Republican said, “No, we’re not going to take your money.” “Why?” “Because it’s not our belief to take your money and we’re going to starve our system. Therefore, people get to die in-state voters. People who voted for me get to die because I’m not taking the money so you can get some form of healthcare. At least, get a shot at it.” Notice that the need for integrity, care, collaboration and cooperation is not being met. Now, you can see how mad people can get. Tom, when you think about some of the things that you’ve heard in the current events, let’s take something out. Any example you would like so we could take a look at how a micro message would make a difference here and you can pick anything you like because it all works.



One that we see often and it seems to be replaying the same thing over and over again. I might be helpful to shine a light on it. Maybe we can help make a difference if anybody listens. It is with these press conferences. Let’s take the media reporters who are asking questions of the President. The President has a press conference with the President of Finland. The President asked a question, he didn’t answer it. He goes off on his messaging. The reporter keeps trying to ask the same question and say, “You didn’t answer my question,” and re-asking it. They’re not effective at achieving much, except the President going off on a tangent about what he wants to say and not what they were asking him about. Help us with that. What do you think, Bill?


As somebody that is mediated by a lot of conflicts, the first thing that I see is valuable. If I’m the person asking the question like this reporter was and the listener is not giving the answer to my question. What I would like to do is assist the listener, which is the president, in this case, to hear my question again. In which it would sound like, “Mr. President, you would like me to hear XYZ,” saying what the President has said in pulling his micro message through. My rule is, “Don’t say it. That’s not what I asked. You did not answer the question.”


Which seems to be the thing that they all instinctively come back with, isn’t it?


Yeah. You didn’t answer the question and you’re trying to get away with it. Here’s the way that I would train the press corps to speak as well as every journalistic school in the United States. Make sure that the message sent is the message received. If it is not received, then whatever they just said, has to be taken out of the way. You have to get it to pull it through and set it aside. “Mr. President, you’d like me to focus on XYZ. Did I hear that correctly?” “Yes, exactly.” “Would you be willing to help me with this second sentence?” I enlisted him as an ally. “What was the outcome that you would have liked from the Ukrainian president?” “I would have liked him to start an investigation.” The human being does not know that they’re walking themselves down because he had already given a defensive position. The president could only come back with another defensive position, which was, “I just gave you a whole bunch of beautiful words. Ask the question to the Finland guy.”


It’s like, “I answered your question. Ask him a question.”


Ask a question for this guy because you got me at the end of the rope. “No, Mr. President. I want to make sure that you were answering the question I asked.” He was kind and nice. What does the President end up doing? “You’re not respectful to this other person.” He shifted it to the other person. Meanwhile, the President is taking this meeting with the person to Finland so that he could get a cover, his people can give him something to do and this person is safe. “Why don’t you ask about Finland?” “I’m not interested in him.” You’re in the boiling pot of an impeachment body. I could have asked the Finland guy or I could turn to the Finland guy if I wanted to piss the President off. I might say, “In your country, do you recommend asking other countries for help with your elections?”


Anybody who asked that question would become instantly nationally known or notorious journalist. I would think that the president would throw him out.


No, because what happens next is the Finnish President is going like, “Our laws are written differently.” All of a sudden, the person could come back and go to our President saying, “Are you interested in changing the rules that we would like that it’s okay to look for us? Should we change the Constitution to allow for other countries to support a certain candidate against another candidate? Would you like to change that rule?” “Why?” “Because that’s what he did.” “I’m okay to see the direction our country is going.” “More authoritarian countries do it this way. Are you interested in that view of America versus in the view of America and the rules that were currently following, Mr. President? Would that work for you?”


It would take a senior-level skilled journalist to be willing to ask those questions. I almost feel like sometimes, the people that are in the press corps at these events especially, now in our current state of administration, they need the training.


Two weeks of training about how to think and speak in a way that’s empathetic and to make sure the message sent is the message received allows the press corps to up their game. Why are they going to up their game? Because of the current strategies and languaging tools. They’ve been taught to ask this question to answer. Problem-solving and mindset are not effective for somebody that’s in this much pain as President Donald Trump is. This man is in a lot of pain about getting respect, identity, self-worth, acceptance, acknowledgment and recognition. The thing is he’s dispersing his pain and spreading his pain out and agitating the pain that other people. The level of healing that we need next is nationwide. The next president is going to be burdened with healing the nation. With that healing that needs to take place, there’s a lot of reckoning on many issues. Mental health is one of them.


Can you put on a course like this and advertise it to the media? It seems like many of these media people, it doesn’t matter what network they work for, magazine or whatever media outlet, they don’t seem skilled in this concept that you’re talking about.



Chris Coleman got into a spitting match the other day he had no business being in. “Are you calling me a sellout? Are you calling me fake?”


Now, you’re having chips on your shoulders. You’re trying to get someone to knock off.


Chris, are you going to be a 22-year-old to go to spit this fit with Rudy Giuliani on national TV? His best narrative would have been a poll narrative rather than a push narrative. If I were coaching Chris, it would sound something like this, “Mr. Rudy Giuliani, you would like me to hear that I’m a sellout. Did I hear that correctly?” Rudy Giuliani would say, “Yes.” “Would you be willing to tell me what is the thing that I said or did that was a sellout in your eyes?” Now, we can hear a pin drop. “You’re not covering what the Bidens did? You would like me to cover in greater depth what the Bidens did. Did I hear that correctly?” “Yes.” “Would you be willing to provide that information so it becomes real to me because I want to make sure that you and I get the same truth going in the same direction? Would you be willing to help me to get your truth out to the environment?” “Yes. I have it right here on my phone.”


“I’m interested in hearing where your version of the truth is coming from because if you’re saying that you see something I don’t, I’m interested in that. Would you be willing to send that to me?” “Yes.” “Do you have it on your phone now?” “Yes.” “Would you be willing to text it to me?” “I don’t have it here with me.” “It sounds like you don’t have it and if it’s something illegal, would you mind me sharing it with the legal resources so that we can make sure the Bidens get what they deserve. Would that be okay with you?” “Yes.” “We want to make sure that the people aren’t prosecuted for things they didn’t do, correct?” “Yes.” “Like your president being prosecuted for the things he didn’t do, correct?” “Yes.” “We want to make sure that we have good evidence, right?” “Yes.”

I’m be going to be compassionate to the person’s illusion in order to allow truth to chase me. Instead of, me trying to corkscrew and arm-twist somebody in there, that might sound like it’s going to take a long time to the readers on this podcast. I presented something and I gave a range of questions that I could go down because I need to know what he says next. Usually, they cough it up in three sentences. It takes under 90 seconds and sometimes, three minutes but not too much longer. You will have plenty of time on-air to do that if you stay in the mix.


It’s the same as Stephen Miller. He’s easy to walk down the plank. He walks himself out there and you go like, “You like me to hear that you don’t want Mexicans to come in. Is that right? It sounds like it’s painful to have Mexicans come in here. It sounds like it’s not fair to you. It sounds like you would like America to look a certain way.” It’s a way of empathizing with the person’s pain rather than shouting at them and says, “Your belief is wrong. Your point of view is wrong.” That’s the thing whether it’s a cable news outlet. Jake Tapper took the bait and got pissed.


Wasn’t he with some conservative representative in the House and trying to go toe-to-toe with him on facts?


Yeah. What Jake Tapper didn’t understand is that they’re trying to establish a thing called a push narrative. They’re using micro messages to try to get a push narrative so that they can create the feeling of confused or torn. All they need to do is to get the doubtful voter to show up. The doubtful voter tends to stay home. That’s what we do. All I got to do is get the doubtful and confused voter. Why did people not go to vote for Hillary Clinton? Because there were doubt and confusion, and they felt torn about whether she had integrity. Did she make a mistake? Yes. Did it rise to the level in comparison to a life being generated for this position? No, but the person stayed home. Why did they stay at home? Because what they’re doing with micro-messaging is affecting the need for truth to shift so that the human being is stuck on doubt, skeptical, torn and confused.


They’re not excited and there’s no vision that they can see. That is why they’re motivated to go vote.


The vision that Donald Trump creates is, “I am invincible,” which is what a helpless person wants to feel when they go to the voting booth. “I am voting for the invincible one.” He survived The Mueller Report because, “It’s a hoax or otherwise, they would have impeached me there at that point.” Now, they just came up with another thing. As soon as Mueller finishes the report, they need to file the next day and start the investigation. “There’s enough here and we are confident with it.” What has shown up in their lap a couple of months later? The phone call for the Ukrainian because this guy wouldn’t have said, “You’re going to piss me off? I’m going to do what the hell I want.” He would have made that phone call anyways.


Do you think so?


Yes.


I wonder if he felt more emboldened by how bulletproof he seemed to be after The Mueller Report that then he’s like, “I’m going to go do it.” Do you think he’s a moth to a flame? He would have done it anyway.


I get a choice. It’s like that six-year-old that keeps doing a tantrum, while they’re trying to get ice cream. That’s it. I know he’s in much pain because of the things that didn’t get. The quality of value exchange that he needed to be enriched in values rather than enriched in entitlement, that’s what he turned into being an entitlement guy. Meaning, he’s entitled to do whatever he wants, say whatever he wants and he gets to buy himself out of everything. All you got to do is watch him at disposition and he’s passive. “I don’t know. I can’t read. Shall I get my glasses?” He’s like that guy. He doesn’t have to engage.


He’s trying to be intentionally aloof.


He knows that he can run and dampen truth just by sing time and money as an ally. Run out of the clock. All of a sudden, “Sorry, you to get the ball back because I was holding it and didn’t want to play the game anymore,” which is a strong tactic that also Mitch McConnell has in his consciousness.


We’re not going to vote on America.


He boasted about it, “Here’s the graveyard of legislation that we didn’t vote on.” What legislator talks like that openly and is not voted out of office? You stalled legislation. You’re not even doing your job. You’re just figuring out good ways to use the law to stall legislation and saying like, “I’m going to stall legislation.”


That’s disappointing when it doesn’t even come up for discussion or debate.


Let’s talk about the word’s explanation and problem-solving. How those two tactics do not work in micro-messaging. Explanation, problem-solving, solutions or advice do not work in micro-messaging. I can watch The Rachel Maddow Show and I can say, “Poor Rachel.” Notice that she said she would look at me and go like, “I got a great fan base. They love me.” They do because you do a couple of different things as you repeat micro-messages. The reason why people don’t like you is that you spend so much time explaining but it doesn’t sound authentic. It sounds like you’re just talking over until you convince and I’m sitting there numb after fifteen minutes. Meanwhile, you’ve got time to fill, you’re trying to draw the lines. You are explaining it and you do. You are putting parts together but by the time you put the parts together, I don’t want to play with the toy anymore.


It feels like you’re being strapped down to a chair in front of a teacher and required to hear the lesson or you’re getting a root canal and the stuff that you can’t do, but you sit there and take it.


No, because I’m a language person. I can listen to both Fox News and the MSNBC. As a communication specialist, all I’m doing is I’m listening for the message and then connecting to what is the message meant for. If I’m watching the three people on Fox News in the morning, what they’re doing is they’re interested in meeting the need for protection for the President as well as meeting the need for respect and acknowledgment for the President, which are primary needs of his. All they do is talk about how those needs are being met. “This President is ready for this impeachment trial because he’s such a tough business note negotiator. This is what he was meant to do.” It’s like, “Did you just say that he’s the best President to be impeached because he is ready and has the skills to be impeached?”


They’re meeting his need for recognition by acknowledging how tough he is. Toughness, truth and legality are not in the same ballpark all the time. The mob boss can create all kinds of the rationale for the good reason why he’s extorting money from some Joe restaurant down the street because he’s providing “protection” and he’s taken 15% or 20% of the business or more. In the meantime, the need for integrity, truth and fairness are not being met. All you’re doing is zapping off the energy of others, which is basically what that mindset and the languaging pattern do. We want to try to be compassionate to the people. Because whether it’s the press corps asking questions that are not ones that are going to serve them or get defensive or withdrawn response, “Are you talking to me?”


That was otherworldly, wasn’t it?


Yeah, it’s a defense question.


“What do you mean? You’re not asking him a question. You’re asking me.”


I told you to ask him something. Why are you not doing what I told you to do?” Contempt shows up and then he says, “You’re disrespectful to the person.” It’s like, “No. I’m trying to pursue truth. I asked you the question because you didn’t answer the question.” He’s like, “I am not interested in truth here. I am interested in how you are respecting my guest here because you’re asking me a question. I need the cover of this guy over here so I can get through my day and keep the illusion alive. That’s what I’m needing.”

To me, it wasn’t surprising at all but how did it strike you that he ended up taking questions from only two reporters? Because he knew how the rest was going to go, he just shut it down. He gave his long statement to what he wanted to, then he was like, “I’m done with this.”


As marketing and salesperson, he’s been able to survive on this micro-messaging, this favor deal-making strategy. You and I went over the seven language strategies that I would hope that the press corps we could get ahold of. They can read that or listen to that a little better than the cable news outlet. More importantly, to have a coaching session about how to ask a question that sticks and creates a quality of engagement rather than defensiveness, contempt, withdrawal and criticism. We’re left as listeners to pick something out of our hands that are all poisonous.


Shall I pick criticism? No. Shall I pick defensiveness? No. Shall we pick contempt? No. Shall I pick withdraw or stonewalling? What am I going to do with these things? This is what’s in the Democrat’s hands. They have these four things. You can’t do anything with those four things. They could try to subpoena of it because the subpoena, stonewalling and withdraw are what you get. They subpoena and it gives them the opportunity to give you criticism back. Many times, it shocks me how under-skilled communicators they are. I would figure there’s something better out.


It’s sad that they had a lot of these hearings and both sides are guilty of this, the Democrats and the Republicans. Nobody is free from guilt here. They all are trying to achieve an agenda. Score points speaking to the camera, trying to illuminate something they already believe or know exists. They’re not necessarily pursuing the truth in a skilled way. If they could get some languaging and communication training, wouldn’t it be refreshing? Maybe it’s going to take even longer for our elected officials to do it but let’s start with the press corps. If they could get some training, how refreshing would it be to watch that show? Whether you’re Chris Cuomo, Jake Tapper or Rachel Maddow. I would think they would get a lot more people watching them. It’s like, “This person’s smart.”



There are some people that are further down the road on this. Out of all the candidate’s language-wise, they’re a little ahead of the other ones. Elizabeth Warren is getting better. Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders need some work. Senator Kamala Harris, Cory Booker and the rest of the field also needs work about how to be present to what the question is that’s being asked and also be ready for the duel response. This is the trick and I know I’m giving the secret away because I know they need practice.


It takes more than just being pointed in the right direction. “This is why I trained with you for the better part of a whole year to learn how to communicate better for my purposes.”



It’s a good moment of taking place in the thing to take a breath of and going like, “The dual response is that, is this person ready to hear the answer?” Most people are not. “Does this person need a moment of empathy or compassion first before they can hear the answer?”


From experience and not as a master at this but as a student of this, they need empathy and compassion. If you give it to them, first of all, they’re not expecting it but once they get it, their shoulders are relaxed. Their brain chemistry is changing right in those seconds that it’s happening and they are in a much more receptive state of mind to whatever the next thing you’re going to say is.


You’re using the metaphor of you getting further out on the plank and you didn’t come out and say that it’s like on the pirate ship working at the plank.


When you go down these 90 seconds to 3 minutes of providing that empathy and compassion, asking them questions and getting them to say yes and respond, Donald Trump will adjust the next question. Once he says yes and he’s like, “Would you be willing to consider or would you get,” whatever your next question is he’s ready, but he doesn’t realize if you’re skilled at this. The more questions you ask him and the more they say yes, the more they are putting themselves in a corner or walking further out that plank.


They think that you’re helping them feel better at that moment.


You are compassionate. There’s no doubt here. You are helping them.


You’re making them feel better, but you also let the truth come out on its own.


You do and you also get a chance to swing the 10%, 15% to 20% of voters in your direction. Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders can close the gap between Joe Biden within the next two months with a little bit of communication training with their staff. They can easily do that and their staff training, too by replacing a push narrative with a pull narrative. Push the narrative is, “Here’s what we’re going to do for you.” A pull narrative is, “Let me hear what your beliefs are and your consciousness is. Let’s provide compassion and empathy for where you are. Let’s go in that direction so that you can this and walk away from this triggering of what the other side is doing with safety elements or certainty elements that cause fear to take place.” They say, “I better vote Donald Trump again because I’m scared of what these other people are going to do.” We could talk next time about that. That might be a good place to get people out of withdrawing and get them back into engagement.


I like that. That sounds great, Bill.


It’s a good piece. What was an a-ha that made a big difference for yourself? The readers might have one of these too.

The a-ha is that there is a path that’s a clear one as long as you get some training and skill and practice it. There is a path to combat the assault on truth.


There is a path you could be able to withstand and the word assault is good because it’s an assault weapon which is putting a whole bunch of bullets out. For those of you that are science fiction fans that know the movie, The Matrix, first, you dodge the bullets. You have enough skills to put it up and say, “No. I choose to hear from you differently.” That’s the thing that I’d like all the press corps, the TV interviewers and the cable news people to get ahold of even local markets can get a hold of this. They should start using it as a tool because it’s going to enrich themselves and make it easier to tell the news as well as engage the humanity of, “That didn’t go well. That person lost a life over there.” Here’s what you can choose to do about it.


I like The Matrix metaphor and although clearly, it’s science fiction, there is truth to the reality that. Otherwise, what would be a contentious exchange, let’s take the press corps and asking the President those questions and having him fire back as he did.


Dodging those bullets is one thing but if you are a skilled questioner, reporter, correspondent or whatever the proper term is, you can stop those bullets from hitting you.


Our next one is going to be the truth and bulletproofing. It doesn’t matter what the person says or does, you’ve got to be ready for it with your skill and mastery on your side. By doing that, you can create the quality of engagement that’s going to take place.


It’s the emphasis on the word quality there.


The quality of engagement is huge.


Thanks, Bill. That was great fun. Thank you for that.


You’re welcome. There are more to come. Thanks, Tom.


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